Church Bashing, Latte Sipping and Thou

I found an interesting article on Lattenomics tonight. Entitled “church bashing is so much fun”, it is a critique of a post by one Carl Mather. Carl Mather posted a rant on the effect of religion on societies throughout history. Carl asserts that

Religions promote elitism, xenophobia, intolerance, ignorance and fascism (n. a governmental system with strong centralised power, permitting no opposition or criticism, controlling all affairs, etc.).

Religions encourage slavery, torture, murder, and unquestioning obedience to rulers, i.e. the church.

and Lattenomics responds, in part, saying

Carl doesn’t provide any evidence to support his assertions and just throws them out there them as self-evident truths. His article is a convenient exercise in shallow-thinking that goes like this: most people were religious in the past, and therefore religion is responsible for all atrocities committed in the past. Convenient, but bollocks nevertheless.

I have to make a special mention of Chris’ assertion that religion breeds fascism. What a load of utter crap! Fascist were vehemently anti-religious. Mussolini was “fiercely anti-Catholic” and Nazis were so hostile to religion they sent thousands of priests to concentration camps. In fact Mather’s article is exactly the sort of anti-religious propaganda that would make any fascist proud.

That is religions breed fascism is not an argument. It is a testable hypothesis. While I agree that Carl failed to mention any specific evidence of the link, nevertheless the documentation supporting his assertion is vast. Take for example the Aztec culture. Their religion taught them that vital bodily fluids contained magical energy which could prolong life. They also practiced something called thanatosis. These are religious beliefs which directly led them to behead thousands of people.

In more modern times, we have the witch burnings which killed hundreds of thousands of women in Europe in the late middle ages. The people lighting those fires were not atheists. There is also the example of the catholic churches selling of indulgences which allowed rich people to buy their way out of sin (that sounds pretty elitist to me).

Christianity can be held responsible, in part, for the crusades, which killed a lot of people. Nevermind that it was basically about forcing christianity on the entire populace of the Middle East. Islam can also be held responsible for its part in the reaction to the Christian invasion.

The author of Lattenomics makes the assertion that Russia and China under communism were not religious and were brutal. This is a pretty lame observation. He also includes Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy (which is historically wrong). The conclusion we are asked to make? That because Russia and China were atheist and also brutal dictatorships, all atheist societies will become brutal dictatorships.

I could rip this apart simply by pointing out that it is a failure of syllogistic logic. But I think the crux of the matter is the question “can an individual be moral in absence of religion’s influence?” I think we can. I have no scientific evidence for this. All I can point to, is the people I have known and cared for. Some of them are gay, some of them are mentally ill, some of them are handicapped, some of them are former and current drug users. They are all mostly moral people.


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3 Responses to “Church Bashing, Latte Sipping and Thou”

  1. I would put a note here about monotheism in particular. The heirachical structure of a monotheistic church is a perfect prop for facism or any pyramidal power structure, and that the fuckers were quite happy to sign off on the divine right of kings knowing what that meant for their flocks in order to get a bit of power. I don’t particularly about the semantics or the syllagisms. Religeon is an excuse for spirituality, a substitute. As for Christians in particular, the central symbol of their church is an instrument of torture, political repression and death. Need anyone say more? It is a religeon which promotes redemption through suffering, that is its central tenet, we are reddemed through his suffering. Fuck that, redeem me through joy, through an orgasm of cosmic dissolution not by conning some poor bastard into betraying you so you can nailed to a fucking cross and be the superhero martyr of all time, you dumb bastard son of a Old Testament psycopath. How could that idiot possibly think Christianity has been anything but a fucking disaster for the human race.

  2. Cool links by the way, that was a lot of fun. Thanks, Paul.

  3. Paul wrote:

    “The author of Lattenomics makes the assertion that Russia and China under communism were not religious and were brutal. This is a pretty lame observation”.

    Paul, you are misrepresenting my point. I was just highlighting that the most brutal societies in recent history were in fact either atheist like China and USSR or openly hostile to religion like fascist Italy and Germany.

    I was just injecting some balance into the mix. If one goes on to trumpet about how bad religion is to the world, shouldn’t we also look at the historical record of societies that were not religious?

    “The conclusion we are asked to make? That because Russia and China were atheist and also brutal dictatorships, all atheist societies will become brutal dictatorships.”

    Actually, you have made exactly the wrong conclusion. I was merely counterbalancing Mather’s argument attributing all ills of the world to religion by pointing out tremendous misery some non-religious societies have caused in our very recent past.

    “He also includes Nazi Germany and Fascist Italy (which is historically wrong).”

    How is that wrong exactly? Both Nazis and Italian fascist were openly hostile to religion. That is well documented and hardly controversial.

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